Serious stuff or a passing comment with no real threat behind it?

[Anna Nikkole]

As a provider OFTEN we hear "wow, would feel so good to take this condom off", "maybe 1 day you trust me to go raw", "can I just take it off, I wanna feel you so bad" "let me take it off, I promise I'm clean". And the list goes on and on.

Then ahhhhh, and I say "see now we have nothing to worry about because a horny man doesn't always think clearly, and aren't you glad I said no"?

And go on with my day. I mean he didn't try to slip it off without my knowledge, he didn't hold me down to force it on me. So to me no real threat. It's mentioned as a "in the heat of passion" comment so often. I don't flag him, I will give a reference and honestly don't say anything because to me it's actually not what I remember.

I have lots of clients who say that and next time say it again. Do you think I should flag that guy and mention it to a reference because in the heat of passion he says that? It's oh so common, believe me it is.

So ladies and gents, what do you think?

I think as long as he didn't get sideways and sneaky or forceful there is no real threat. But lately I've been asked by references "did he try bbfs". My answer is, I'm not sure if he mentioned it (because it would wipe out a bunch of guys), but I have him as a great client who I would see again.

Opinions. I don't like giving false references and 1 persons experience may not be the next persons for sure. I'm just not sure if I'm giving the correct references!!!

[Ben Rhimene]

It is one of 3 things:

He is genuinely enjoying the moment and that is one way of expressing that fact.

He is launching an inquiry as to chance of bb with you.

Or,

A combination of both.

How you react depends on the situation but if you don't feel threatened your approach has probably been the right one. If they are really looking for #2 they won't rebook.

At least that is my read.

[JJ8901]

I don't understand people who BB. Stripper slide makes me nervous. I say just make it clear you don't do BB and if he persists then don't see me ever again

[LatinaLvr]

Seems to me you have an inferiority complex. If you have to ask whats right you seem very insecure. As such why are you in business?

[Anna Nikkole]

Seems to me you have an inferiority complex. If you have to ask whats right you seem very insecure. As such why are you in business?

I do very well thanks you. I was asking should I give clean references to providers if they may have whispered this in the heat of the moment with no real action behind it.

Trust me, anyone who has met me can tell you. I do not have a inferiority complex.

[grand1001]

I heard a bit from a comedian one time-
....guys will do anything not to wear a condom... Like raise a kid...

[mathguy]

Not sure why guys ask. I think Anna and Ben make some good points. It's likely a "heat of the moment" deal and the hopes it might be an option?

What I can say to some younger fellas out here is that when bb is gonna happen, or an option, and this goes for both the hobby or regular dating life, you will know.

You don't need to ask. You don't even usually need to do anything. It will be very obvious b/c like I said it will be super obvious. As in, you literally don't have to do *anything*. Why? B/c the girl will either just do it herself (in her heat of the moment situation) or she will ask you.

As the guy you either go with it, let her do it, if you are comfortable with her, feel safe, think she's really clean, or honestly doesn't do it with everyone, or whatever your personal comfort & safety level allows. If you hobby enough, if you date enough in regular daily life too, etc (SC's....) you will undoubtedly encounter it multiple times during your life. Obviously your looks, your cleanliness/smell, your persona, your relationship to said individual, her emotional state, and so on are all factors on any given day/encounter.

To much younger fellas, I assure you, if you clean up well, have nice conversational skills, humor, smell good, and particularly if you happen to have typical handsome features and/or have good "equipment", you will unquestionably encounter times where she brings it up. You might even be so desired that she damn near begs. Providers too, yes, not just in RL. Why? For one, most girls don't like condoms just as much as guys don't. They itch and dry out the vagina. They cause lots of friction & heat and don't allow for a natural type of intercourse with skin to skin contact and all the "natural" plasma based and glucose induced lubrication that is so satisfying (as well as cervical discharge which will be way more pronounced during ovulation - that's the chief reason for all those times you've seen a girl "cream" heavily or for example in many porn videos). Trust me, girls hate condoms just as much as guys. It's just that they have to be very careful b/c of the nature of this hobby, also in RL due to pregnancy or std, and the number or people they may sexually engage with in a relatively short span. Guys should be careful too (at the very least aware). So, yes, sometimes once they feel comfortable with you, *maybe*, and if there's a spark, or powerful attraction between you, she might allow it or even want it.

It won't happen every day or even very often. No no. However, I can assure you, it will happen. The choice is yours as to whether you are comfortable doing it. Personally I've turned girls down b/c I didn't feel safe. It just depends. You make the decision when the time comes, but don't ask her though. Don't initiate it. Don't do that. It makes her uncomfortable, tense, anxious, and it's just not good etiquette.

Special Notes: Do not use this knowledge to think you can manipulate things to your advantage. You can't and you shouldn't even if you could (for safety reasons and b/c you want to be a respected man who respects women). You will get much further that way. Trust me. If you try, you will most likely come off as a misogynist and someone who doesn't respect a woman and her safety or her needs. A woman is a woman is a woman. I don't care if it's the hobby or RL. Far too many people (women & men both) somehow think that changes the dynamics of truly passionate sex. Incorrect folks.

Also, I'm simply explaining to some of the younger crowd why it happens and that it likely will at some point given the right two people, the right circumstances, emotions on that day or time, possibly the length of the relationship between two people, etc etc... Stay safe. Be nice. Be respectful (goes both ways, both genders). You will get much more in life that way.

[JuggHead]

As a provider OFTEN we hear "wow, would feel so good to take this condom off", "maybe 1 day you trust me to go raw", "can I just take it off, I wanna feel you so bad" "let me take it off, I promise I'm clean". And the list goes on and on.

OMG! I get those same lines from the ladies all the time, especially the "I promise I'm on the pill". I'll admit it is tempting sometimes to just give in but then the brain reminds me that there are somethings a pill or shot can't fix!

[jacksparrow]

What surprises me is the fact, that more often than not, people complaining or expressing concerns in the open, are the ones asking or doing it, just like when providers complain when it is slow, that guys won't even make an offer on their rates, when on their ads they clearly say no hagglers, you will be block..

[Krystal_RoseBBW]

Hey guys.....I think y'all are missing the point of the thread.

Anna, correct me if I'm wrong but I believe you are asking the community if they think you should be considering a client asking for BB a "threat" that should be included in the information given to other Companion's when they ask for a reference for him.

You do not see the question as threatening, so you do not recall who asked or didn't. Then, when your clients give your name as a reference to see another Lady and she asks you if he requested BB during your session with him.....?? And then she gets upset that you didn't tell her and he made her feel unsafe during their session.


My opinion on the matter is that asking for BB IS indicative of possible dangerous behavior. It's an early "Red Flag". Not only do I recall who asks, I refuse to entertain him again.
So he wouldn't be using me as a reference anyway.

We all have our own boundaries and different things make us feel uncomfortable or unsafe. Knowing that this particular bit of info is important to those that are asking for references would, in my way of thinking, be a reason to take note when a client asks for BB. Even when it's just in passing or in the heat of the moment. Just as a courtesy to my fellow companions. :shrug:

But that's me. I am in no way telling you that you are wrong in how you conduct your business or whether or not you should even extend the courtesy of giving references at all.

You do you

[Wile E Coyote]

Asking for BBFS is one thing, as you can always say no. If he persists or asks again on a future visit, it is time to cut ties with him as eventually, he is going to take it off during sex without you knowing (one reason why most providers tend to be mechanical and not into the session as they have to have their wits about them in case a guy tries to pull that).

Demanding BBFS or face a negative review is a whole 'nother ballgame! I do not know about Houston, but in Dallas, there are guys that pull that constantly, but only on the ladies that introduce themselves in the welcome wagon, as the VP ladies do not play that. The WW ladies arer the ones that are out to make a good first impression and especially when a guy calls himself the "king of reviewers" and also claims he has a lot of pull in the community, she definitely wants him satisfied.

[Anna Nikkole]

Hey guys.....I think y'all are missing the point of the thread.

Anna, correct me if I'm wrong but I believe you are asking the community if they think you should be considering a client asking for BB a "threat" that should be included in the information given to other Companion's when they ask for a reference for him.

You do not see the question as threatening, so you do not recall who asked or didn't. Then, when your clients give your name as a reference to see another Lady and she asks you if he requested BB during your session with him.....?? And then she gets upset that you didn't tell her and he made her feel unsafe during their session.


My opinion on the matter is that asking for BB IS indicative of possible dangerous behavior. It's an early "Red Flag". Not only do I recall who asks, I refuse to entertain him again.
So he wouldn't be using me as a reference anyway.

We all have our own boundaries and different things make us feel uncomfortable or unsafe. Knowing that this particular bit of info is important to those that are asking for references would, in my way of thinking, be a reason to take note when a client asks for BB. Even when it's just in passing or in the heat of the moment. Just as a courtesy to my fellow companions. :shrug:

But that's me. I am in no way telling you that you are wrong in how you conduct your business or whether or not you should even extend the courtesy of giving references at all.

You do you

This part^^^. There is a difference in asking on the phone or even directly in person. And a difference in the act where the little head thinks more clearly than the big head. I in no way offer bbfs, and if I listened to every guy who is in the moment than I may as well offer it I DO NOT. I also don't see it as a threat.

To me a threat would be someone persistently asking for it, trying to sneak the condom off, trying to force it. And definitely wouldn't entertain those gentlemen again for sure.

So yes absolutely. I don't record those instances. I don't even pay attention to be honest kinda like when I say "fuck my ass hard" and it's not anal. It's more of something to mentally stimulate him. Sometimes I get a genius to get excited and say "really I can fuck your ass", then the fantasy is ruined by me as I say "NO I WAS JUST TRYING TO EXCITE YOU" lol.

To me sexual talk is just that. Yes I am a clean provider who doesn't offer BBFS and I'm even shying away from stripper slide as gents try to slide towards the bottom and I barricade my hole with 2 fingers. In my opinion that's more of a threat and something I no longer want to offer. Not someone making a passing comment that he would love to feel the inside of me.

But providers work at their own comfort level. If I ever give a reference I will give a reference on wether or not the guy was safe to see in my opinion. If someone else flips out because he whispered that in her ear, perhaps I'm not the one to get a reference from. It would literally wipe out 50% of my regulars. Just my 2 cents.....

It's also my opinion that a gent saying that, he is horny and doesn't even mean it.

[mathguy]

My opinion on the matter is that asking for BB IS indicative of possible dangerous behavior. It's an early "Red Flag". Not only do I recall who asks, I refuse to entertain him again.
So he wouldn't be using me as a reference anyway.

We all have our own boundaries and different things make us feel uncomfortable or unsafe. Knowing that this particular bit of info is important to those that are asking for references would, in my way of thinking, be a reason to take note when a client asks for BB. Even when it's just in passing or in the heat of the moment. Just as a courtesy to my fellow companions. :shrug:

I personally agree with Krystal here. I totally understand what Anna is saying in that with her partners (just can't use the word "client", sorry) it doesn't bother or threaten her.

That being said, I fully agree with Krystal that it's at least noteworthy & indicative of someone who *could* be a danger; at least a red flag.

It's only fair to let another girl know he either has (or *had* it on his mind).

That's important for one b/c men are ridiculously stronger than women. Even the strongest woman, a powerlifter type, is nowhere remotely close to the raw brute strength of even a small man. If that man chooses, or "loses control/composure" he could easily hold her down, *ape her, then threaten her by plastering bad info on the board if she talks. That's especially a problem for young or unestablished girls.

I agree with Krystal, men should not ask and I also agree it should be passed on that this might be expected, asked for, wanted, and whatever took place with the man regarding asking about it. The only exceptions are special circumstances where you both commonly do it together, you know each other well, it's totally innocuous & you are very sure they wouldn't do it with anyone else. No need to "harm" the man's reputation in such cases.

Edit: Btw Wile E Coyotes posts are also bang on the money regarding new girls, young girls, inexperienced, etc.... Absolutely, 100%. That's the main issue with relation to this topic.

[Anna Nikkole]

I haven't had any dangers in a decade of providing in regards to this. A hard dick will say anything. I also don't take notes on my phone or anywhere else. My phone contains no names or pictures as it's not gonna be useful if LE ever gets ahold of it. The letters in my phone only I know what they stand for. In short it's YES or NO. No grey area.

If there was a haggle in another instance where we were not in the middle of a session I won't see him. If someone persist even after a session I immediately put him on my DNS list and won't give a reference.

I just don't record that stuff or even who my clients are. Sometimes I'll have a clients number but he will say something to remind me of who he is.

Funny when scheduling and I ask how long he wants to hang out, he said "the usual". As I said, I don't keep personal stuff so I have no idea till I see him.

I guess I've had great luck with clients, and I have some fabulous clients or (partners). I'm A-ok with his senseless words that turn him on. It's more of a feeling. I've had those feelings before for no reason, and will stop seeing someone for a eery feeling. Maybe I can sense who would mean me harm and who wouldn't. I've had great success with gut feelings!!!