word to the wise

[baja22]

You 100% correct about acronyms. They are a handy shorthand and time saving device, nothing more. Any one who thinks they create anything like " plausible deniability " is fooling themselves. In court it would go something like this:

Prosecutor- So you previously testified that the defendant used the term "FIP" in his text exchange with your undercover officer, asking if that would be included. What does that mean?
Officer- In my training and experience, amongst the community of prostitutes and their clients, the acronym "FIP" is short for "finger in p---y". This indicated that the defendant was asking if he would be permitted to digitally penetrate the person he believed to be a prostitute."
Prosecutor- Thank you officer. No further questions.

And that is going to be absolutely admissible in court and is going to be damning in the mind of a jury. So, in my mind, I can absolutely understand why a Hobby Lady would regard such acronyms as "explicit talk", especially with a stranger. Play it safe folks.

Hell, I tend to avoid explicit talk even when texting ladies I have a good standing relationship with. If I DO talk about sex its always after the fact and I try to word it as it it were a non-commercial act as part of a legitimate girlfriend situation.

Does that make sense?

Yeah, using initialisms is up there with "are u a cop, cuz u can't lie if u are!" I never use initialisms or any wording remotely connected with sex. It's just about what day and time we can meet. Hopefully, the ad will spell out what's offered, but even if there is some question I still book if I really want to see her, and if it winds up being a disappointment, I just don't go back.

[TinMan]

Yeah, using initialisms is up there with "are u a cop, cuz u can't lie if u are!" I never use initialisms or any wording remotely connected with sex. It's just about what day and time we can meet. Hopefully, the ad will spell out what's offered, but even if there is some question I still book if I really want to see her, and if it winds up being a disappointment, I just don't go back.

Like you, I would rather risk being disappointed in the few hundred dollars I spent for a less than satisfactory session than the tens of thousands spent on attorneys to get out of a jam I got myself into because I just had to know exactly what I am getting for my money.

[baja22]

Like you, I would rather risk being disappointed in the few hundred dollars I spent for a less than satisfactory session than the tens of thousands spent on attorneys to get out of a jam I got myself into because I just had to know exactly what I am getting for my money.

Well put, lol. I've had some sessions with incredibly hot providers that were not that great and never went back to, but my glass is half full attitude afterwards was "well, at least I got to see her naked!"

[lovingcamela]

Thank you guys for responding and making these great points. Hopefully others read this too.

[Cuirassier1812]

Yeah, using initialisms is up there with "are u a cop, cuz u can't lie if u are!" I never use initialisms or any wording remotely connected with sex. It's just about what day and time we can meet. Hopefully, the ad will spell out what's offered, but even if there is some question I still book if I really want to see her, and if it winds up being a disappointment, I just don't go back.

Yeah, that one drives me nuts. Law Enforcement officers can and will lie to you in an investigation. They are given broad discretion by courts to so, especially in the sort of "sting" operations that are common in prostitution enforcement. But the whole "they have to tell the truth if you ask if they are a cop" is absurd for several very god reasons, but people persist in believing it and repeating it as true. Now, asking if the other party is a cop is of use in a face to face interaction as a perceptive person can sometimes detect deception through body language, inflection, etc. But asking it via text is a pointless waste of time. Finally, the "are you a cop?" question can bite you on the butt in court. It's unlikely to be used as an argument by a prosecutor, but many jurors are going to ask themselves. "So why did the defendant ask that? Why would he have concern if the girl was a cop? What is he afraid of?".

Its human nature I suppose. There are always people who are going to believe in things that are transparently not true, and/or a bit nutty. See Flat Earth Theorists and Sovereign Citizens.

On the other hand the " show me yours and ill show you mine" is probably a better test. You know the whole " I need you to reach over and touch my boob and I'm going to touch your crotch." Sort of thing. I've never heard of an undercover or sting "bait" girl doing that. But I may very well be wrong? Anyone have any insight on that?

One quick amusing anecdote in regards to the "are you a cop?" question. Back around 2001 I had a street walker approach me and strike up a conversation. At one point she asked me "Honey are you a cop?". Being youngish and naive on the subject I thought I was being funny and replied " Why? Do I look like a cop too you?". She looked at me for a moment and said "Well, now that you mention it, you do!". At the time I was six foot tall, with a large frame and was in reasonably good shape.. I was clean shaven and wore my hair in a severe " buzz cut". Woops!

[TinMan]

Yes, I have heard of cops allowing touching before the arrest. Who makes the first move may determine entrapment, but ladies have reported that it happens.

[DocHoliday]

There is an "Add to Ignore List" feature on OH2. May I suggest using it and block the phone number on your phone. Problem solved.

[Cuirassier1812]

Yes, I have heard of cops allowing touching before the arrest. Who makes the first move may determine entrapment, but ladies have reported that it happens.

Interesting.
I had never heard of that. I was under the impression that undercovers could not engage in any sexual contact with during an investigation. Lol. Here am I falling into the very thing I warned against: Uncritically believing "common knowledge!"

[baja22]

Yes, I have heard of cops allowing touching before the arrest. Who makes the first move may determine entrapment, but ladies have reported that it happens.

Is that both ways? Female decoy cops will allow touching or viewing? We know male cops will do anything lol.

[TinMan]

Is that both ways? Female decoy cops will allow touching or viewing? We know male cops will do anything lol.

I have never seen this confirmed, but I do not think departments will ask their female cops to do what some men will do.