Looks like the bottomfeeders kept LE busy

[Guest 121219-1]

What do you think are the best ways to ensure a guy isnt working with le?

I will also add that as the STG community grows, the camaraderie among companions diminishes. They don't depend upon references to see clients. So they don't offer references. They are outside of the safety measures companions like us have created on hobby boards.

So if companions who are outside of a safety-driven community were caught in a sting, they have no impetus to report back to us about what happened to them.

And A LOT of clients are now seeing STG companions. Which should be a cause for concern for those of us who are used to protecting one another. Clients should also consider the fact that they are now losing their references so that if/when they decide to return to companions who do require screening, they will not have references to depend upon.

I don't think it would be unreasonable for a companion to straight up ask a client if he is working with LE in any capacity. If he gets offended, then he's probably not the kind of client that is worth keeping anyway. An intelligent client who is aware of the current climate would understand our concerns and caution, and indulge us in our additional layer of screening. Not that he couldn't lie, but it would give us the opportunity to look him in the eye, and gauge him.

It's why finding one-woman clients is a beautiful thing. It eliminates all this stress completely. And yes, they are out there because I have them. Not every hobbyist is a monger. My gents are such enjoyable men and our time together is so intimate, they make me want to throw my clock away. As it should be.

Be safe, lady.

[Vanessa]

I don't think it would be unreasonable for a companion to straight up ask a client if he is working with LE in any capacity. If he gets offended, then he's probably not the kind of client that is worth keeping anyway. An intelligent client who is aware of the current climate would understand our concerns and caution, and indulge us in our additional layer of screening. Not that he couldn't lie, but it would give us the opportunity to look him in the eye, and gauge him.

In my opinion, the two looks you're going to get if you ask a guy if they are law enforcement are the "of course not!" (lying because they are) or the "I can't believe you think that's a valid question" look (because any decent LEO would lie about it). So, not really effective. Additionally, the question itself is considered incriminatory - if you aren't doing anything illegal, why are you asking if anyone is law enforcement???

A better approach is to NEVER speak about illegal activities and money. NEVER. I definitely agree with you that graphic ads and the way people operate on STG and LC is cause for concern in general. However, I have never seen Backpage, STG, or similar sites as anything that affects MY business. I have never heard of one of my clients, across a decade and several states using those type of sites. I'm sure a few have before, but most use Eros and P411 and do their research here and on Eccie.

[Guest 121219-1]

In my opinion, the two looks you're going to get if you ask a guy if they are law enforcement are the "of course not!" (lying because they are) or the "I can't believe you think that's a valid question" look (because any decent LEO would lie about it). So, not really effective. Additionally, the question itself is considered incriminatory - if you aren't doing anything illegal, why are you asking if anyone is law enforcement???

A better approach is to NEVER speak about illegal activities and money. NEVER. I definitely agree with you that graphic ads and the way people operate on STG and LC is cause for concern in general. However, I have never seen Backpage, STG, or similar sites as anything that affects MY business. I have never heard of one of my clients, across a decade and several states using those type of sites. I'm sure a few have before, but most use Eros and P411 and do their research here and on Eccie.

If you look on KC Metro ECCIE at the Encounter Reports, the majority of them are for companions that are advertising on sites other than ECCIE, OH2 or P411. Eros is not an active resource for KC. STG is the site they are using the most. So I'm not sure what the culture is like in Texas, but that's the culture here in KC. Men are moving to the low-hanging fruit that don't check references.

Agreed on the never speak about money statement. But many women use methods to try to discern if a client is LE. Patting men down, making men get undressed first, etc. They might not come right out and ask the question, but they are using tactics they believe will hopefully keep them safer.

I'm not sure what the answer is for companions here in KC. We have a rabid police collective who is intent on raising their "rescued human trafficking victims" numbers. Even if the "victims" are in the hobby of their own free will. I was offering a solution off the top of my head that probably would not work. You're correct--no one is going to admit to cooperating with LE but if a client you've known for some time all of a sudden starts acting hinky, that would be a red flag for me. And yes, asking if they're LE would be incriminatory. I did not think my original comment through well, so thank you for shedding light on that.

I wish there was a surefire way for the ladies to be safe from the scumbag clients who cooperate with LE. We had a bust 7 months ago, also in Independence, where a verifiable hobbyist with reviews and references lured women to a hotel room, where LE arrested them. How could they have possibly protected themselves against that? Perhaps by no longer accepting outcalls?

But what if that same client shows up to your incall location, and LE follows right behind him? How do you protect yourself against that? The guy could do this to a number of women over the course of a few days before the word got spread that he's a snitch.

It's a very scary time here in the KC metro area. And you have to be just as afraid of known hobbyists as you do LE. It's a fucked up situation.

Thanks for your solid advice!

[Westley]

If you look on KC Metro ECCIE at the Encounter Reports, the majority of them are for companions that are advertising on sites other than ECCIE, OH2 or P411. Eros is not an active resource for KC. STG is the site they are using the most. So I'm not sure what the culture is like in Texas, but that's the culture here in KC. Men are moving to the low-hanging fruit that don't check references.

Agreed on the never speak about money statement. But many women use methods to try to discern if a client is LE. Patting men down, making men get undressed first, etc. They might not come right out and ask the question, but they are using tactics they believe will hopefully keep them safer.

I'm not sure what the answer is for companions here in KC. We have a rabid police collective who is intent on raising their "rescued human trafficking victims" numbers. Even if the "victims" are in the hobby of their own free will. I was offering a solution off the top of my head that probably would not work. You're correct--no one is going to admit to cooperating with LE but if a client you've known for some time all of a sudden starts acting hinky, that would be a red flag for me. And yes, asking if they're LE would be incriminatory. I did not think my original comment through well, so thank you for shedding light on that.

I wish there was a surefire way for the ladies to be safe from the scumbag clients who cooperate with LE. We had a bust 7 months ago, also in Independence, where a verifiable hobbyist with reviews and references lured women to a hotel room, where LE arrested them. How could they have possibly protected themselves against that? Perhaps by no longer accepting outcalls?

But what if that same client shows up to your incall location, and LE follows right behind him? How do you protect yourself against that? The guy could do this to a number of women over the course of a few days before the word got spread that he's a snitch.

It's a very scary time here in the KC metro area. And you have to be just as afraid of known hobbyists as you do LE. It's a fucked up situation.

Thanks for your solid advice!

"So I'm not sure what the culture is like in Texas, but that's the culture here in KC. Men are moving to the low-hanging fruit that don't check references."

"It's a very scary time here in the KC metro area. And you have to be just as afraid of known hobbyists as you do LE. It's a fucked up situation."

These are consequences and outcomes of new state and federal laws. Protect your interests as well as your business operations and develop your contingency plans (due diligence) accordingly.

[Phoenixx]

Additionally, the question itself is considered incriminatory - if you aren't doing anything illegal, why are you asking if anyone is law enforcement???

Exactly

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It's a very scary time here in the KC metro area.

there was another sting just a few days ago...

Human Trafficking Sting Arrests 21 in Independence

SMDH....

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[Guest 121219-1]

Exactly

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Agreed, ma'am. I was shooting from the hip with my brainstorming and didn't think it through well. I just don't know what the answers are when you've got clients cooperating with LE.

What would you suggest in this scenario? You're a smart cookie so what would you do if you lived here and this was going on?

[Phoenixx]

What would you suggest in this scenario?

I'll message you! xoxo

[Guest 121219-1]

Exactly

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there was another sting just a few days ago...

Human Trafficking Sting Arrests 21 in Independence

SMDH....

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Yes, this is the sting I am addressing in this thread. I just buried it in a hyperlink that states, "Read here" on my first post.

[Westley]

Yes, this is the sting I am addressing in this thread. I just buried it in a hyperlink that states, "Read here" on my first post.

Police lie all the time. A cop has no obligation to tell the truth in an undercover or sting operation. Some don't even tell the truth in court so it is not a reasonable expectation that a cop will be truthful when investigating an individual they suspect of committing a crime. As long as you market yourself as a consultant of sort and avoid the "forbidden questions" one should be fine if dealing with ethical officers. The best way to shut down an police inquiry is to refuse to discuss your day. Merely asking an individual if they are a member of LE might be taken that you are engaged in dubious activities and possibly avoiding arrest. Unethical LE might arrest your guilty cash but let you go.

[Guest 121219-1]

Police lie all the time. A cop has no obligation to tell the truth in an undercover or sting operation. Some don't even tell the truth in court so it is not a reasonable expectation that a cop will be truthful when investigating an individual they suspect of committing a crime. As long as you market yourself as a consultant of sort and avoid the "forbidden questions" one should be fine if dealing with ethical officers. The best way to shut down an police inquiry is to refuse to discuss your day. Merely asking an individual if they are a member of LE might be taken that you are engaged in dubious activities and avoiding arrest.

Refusing to cooperate or give anything other than your name is the best policy. Make them prove your guilt in a court of law. Sometimes a person will find themselves in a position where the evidence is clearly stacked against them. Lawyer up, hope for the best, and live to fight another day.

Cooperating with LE to take down other people only brings sorrow on more families, and what is the point in that? Take your lumps and move on. Otherwise, if they don't have evidence, don't give them any.

And agreed on the asking if they are LE. I was not thinking clearly when I provided that advice. I have never asked that question of a client before, and don't intend to put myself in a position where I feel compelled to ask it now.

[Phoenixx]

Yes, this is the sting I am addressing in this thread. I just buried it in a hyperlink that states, "Read here" on my first post.

my mind is still stuck on that previous sting back in April
since many of us watched it unfold on the other board
not cool...

[Universal]

Every time I turn around there is a sting .... No wonder I keep hearing about, How slow business is and traveling escorts aren't doing very well. I didn't say every woman, talking about the majority.

[Phoenixx]

Every time I turn around there is a sting .... No wonder I keep hearing about, How slow business is and traveling escorts aren't doing very well. I didn't say every woman, talking about the majority.

right

slow business since there's more sellers than buyers in this risky market

more & more buyers get scared on the daily to partake in this heat

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[Guest 121219-1]

Every time I turn around there is a sting .... No wonder I keep hearing about, How slow business is and traveling escorts aren't doing very well. I didn't say every woman, talking about the majority.

I have one client I travel to see, and have decided he will be my only client I indulge in this way. We have a groovy thing that involves cooking together, going out dancing and lots of shenanigans. I'd drive to BFE to spend time with him, he's that wonderful.

I used to see gents on my way to Austin, where I visit family. I have now made a decision that spending time with family is more important than hobbying. While I have truly enjoyed the company of the men I met in TX, all good things must come to an end.

I'd be happy to meet some of my TX fellows for a meal or a drink, just to catch up or connect. Otherwise, my energy will be given to the people I love.

And BTW, Ms. Universal, THAT ASS! Good Golly, Ms. Molly! I would just bury my face in that until I couldn't hear a damn thing!

[ElumEno]

April? Looks like I got some catching up to do.

my mind is still stuck on that previous sting back in April
since many of us watched it unfold on the other board
not cool...

Hmmm after a 2+ year hiatus it looks like I really am out of the loop... not the best time to came back.
Kansas City has always upped the stupidity around the holidays, but this year seems like they are after even more funding.