Ads that say "No AA" And this African American mans Experience as a New Hobbyist

[Lainey Love]

Wow!!!!! So sorry for your experience! EVERYONE WASNT RAISED RIGHT!

As an AA VERIFIED COMPANION we deal with similar issues just because we are black. For example, a white girl, because she is white, will get paid 3xs the amount a black woman will get paid. It's just this industry. It happens in strip clubs it happens in more places and more often than not. I COULD RAISE MY RATES GIVEN because I offer an EXCEPTIONAL Experience and those of ALL RACES that have seen me would agree, but I'm about BUILDING A LONG TERM RELATIONSHIP W/ MY CLIENTS. NOT MILKING THEM FOR ALL THEY HAVE DURING ONE SESSION vs seeing that client once a week for a reasonable amount for quite some time (REGULARLY). With that being said, IT WAS THAT PROVIDERS LOSS AND GOD DONT LIKE UGLY AND AINT TO FOND OF PRETTY. KEEP ENJOYING THE HOBBY THERE ARE lots of good hearted verified companion of all races here that I'm sure will see you. My DOOR IS OPEN TO ALL .. MY ONLY REQUIREMENT IS THAT YOU LEAVE FEELING BETTER THAN WHEN YOU WALKED THROUGH MY DOOR AND WITH A SMILE !!! That's why I do what I do and enjoy doing what I do. Xoxoxox

[mathguy]

^^ Very nice LL Great positive attitude and really sweet compassionate message; particularly at the end about your clients being happier than they were before coming in and how you enjoy what you do

[Lainey Love]

Thanks so much! It's just how I am and how it should be��!!! Have an Uber wonderful night honey! @mathguy

[3daygetaway]

Mathguy,
Sometimes less is more.

We all know you meant well, but you have managed to evoke almost every racial epithet in your attempt to show solidarity and empathy. It comes across as gratuitous, and “the lady doth protest too much, methinks.”

I feel you crossed the line a bit in this conversation and showed us some of your own biases. For example: Your comments about black accents and professional communicators, such as television commentators or presidents was a horrible thing to write and betrayed the intelligence you obviously possess and wish to convey.

I agree with you 90% of the time, but that other ten kills me—mostly when you beat a topic to death, resurrect it, nurse it back to health, only to waterboard it a while, then electrocute it, light it on fire, smother it, and at the moment of impending death, inject a shot of adrenaline into its heart before scolding it for not dying already.

I don’t mean any disrespect, and don’t want anyone to add to the redressing, but I think you will find more pleasant conversations here by occasionally giving a little less.

[Universal]

Mathguy,
Sometimes less is more

I agree with you 90% of the time, but that other ten kills me—mostly when you beat a topic to death, resurrect it, nurse it back to health, only to waterboard it a while, then electrocute it, light it on fire, smother it, and at the moment of impending death, inject a shot of adrenaline into its heart before scolding it for not dying already.

You have a way with words and
I AM INTRIGUED
Got me excited

[mathguy]

Mathguy,
Sometimes less is more.

We all know you meant well, but you have managed to evoke almost every racial epithet in your attempt to show solidarity and empathy. It comes across as gratuitous, and “the lady doth protest too much, methinks.”

I feel you crossed the line a bit in this conversation and showed us some of your own biases. For example: Your comments about black accents and professional communicators, such as television commentators or presidents was a horrible thing to write and betrayed the intelligence you obviously possess and wish to convey.

I agree with you 90% of the time, but that other ten kills me—mostly when you beat a topic to death, resurrect it, nurse it back to health, only to waterboard it a while, then electrocute it, light it on fire, smother it, and at the moment of impending death, inject a shot of adrenaline into its heart before scolding it for not dying already.

I don’t mean any disrespect, and don’t want anyone to add to the redressing, but I think you will find more pleasant conversations here by occasionally giving a little less.

Wow, I didn't expect this from you 3day. Not b/c you were unkind or displayed vitriol toward me. Though that 10% thing went overboard man. That part was intentionally hurtful by design and that's a shame b/c I have never known you to be that way. I'm not quite sure how to digest this or "how" I offended you in such a profound way. Really. I'm terribly sorry if I did. I kept it going b/c people were replying. For awhile it was primarily myself and Westley. We replied back and forth quite a bit. I agreed on certain things but some I felt strongly about and others I disagreed. Other people jumped in too as the thread progressed and the conversation continued. If people are posting and engaging and it's not hostile then I will continue. Your post, ironically, is one of the most hostile posts thus far toward another person here. I'm terribly sorry if you are upset, but you should be ashamed for posting what you did and what you said to me.

I get it that you obviously have strong feelings about this and you are sensitive about racial topics (I'm assuming from this language and the prior posts in this thread). I'm very curious now if you yourself are a black man? Is that how I offended you? I'm still very much at a loss even if you are a black man. I don't understand what I said that could be taking as so insulting. Other than if you simply disagree vehemently, are very sensitive to this topic, and you do not want to discuss it? That's the only possible thing I can think of - honestly.

I'm not one bit racist. Not one itty bitty iota. Biased? Well, shit man, I'd be the biggest fucking hypocrite in the world if I said I wasn't biased to certain things. So would you, so would everyone on this board, and the entire world. We all have biases in our lives.

And to be perfectly absolutely clear my comment about the TV personality or our former president (just two that popped into my head as examples) has nothing to do with racism. NOTHING. It was an objective view at the fact that those men have a particular speaking style that over the phone you would not be able to deduce whether they were white, hispanic, or black. I'm not trying to be a jerk to anyone. I was being objective. Not biased. And certainly no fucking way in hell racist by any stretch of the imagination. I was talking about reality.

If you called up a florist to ask for flowers and they answered and said, "Heh-r-o? May help you? We ha- su-m veh-wy ni-e fr-ow-ers cu-m ee-n too-day! It you r-ucky day my f-win!", would you suspect they were possibly Chinese, Korean, or some sort of Asian descent and likely spoke another first language? You probably would. Let's not lie and pretend like it's racist to say that. It's not. It's not biased either. It's just a fact.

Now, if you choose to make fun of them b/c of that, or think they are not smart, or they're beneath you, or whatever other "bias" or discriminatory action you may take, yea, that's pretty fucked up and close to racist (certainly it's at least prejudice). But to just acknowledge that you would know pretty easy that they were of Asian descent in that scenario is not biased and is definitely not racist just on its face. No way.

So what does that have to with black voices you say? Black Americans speak English, so WTF?! Exactly. It has nothing to do with it quite honestly. You are right. I only used it for the purpose of showing that describing or presenting objective information is not in and of itself a biased, racist, prejudicial thing. It's not even making a mockery of them. Not one bit. It's none of those things. It's just an objective fact about what you would assume on the other end of the phone as long as you aren't making any other prejudicial ideas about them b/c of the way they speak.

The person I was apologizing to for his bad experience even explained and described in himself in this manner. He himself used that language. Language that suggested he was mistaken for white. How the hell else was this guy mistaken for white if she collected no information, only spoke on the phone, and she only sees white guys. Look, I don't fucking like it man. They should see anyone they are attracted to. Maybe some girls aren't to black guys. I don't fucking know But how the hell did this damn girl expect he was not black if it had nothing at all to do with their phone conversation?? The guy I was posting for even more or less said the same goddamn thing!

Remember how I said I know girls who have had this exact thing happen? They are not racist either. They just are not typically attracted to certain races (just depends on the person and the race). And this phone thing happens. Not often. But it happens. Jesus. I have anecdotal real world experience with a friend in this business and it's also commonly known and it's objective information. My ex-wife hated hispanic men for a long ass time b/c she was gang raped by a group of 5 hispanic guys. She has also dated a couple since that event. So who the fuck knows why a girl wants what she wants? But THAT isn't racism and what I said isn't racism either. And it's not fucking biased either.

I wasn't displaying any bias. No fucking way in hell was I displaying any racism toward him or anyone. And you are saying I have offended you because of a remark about the fact that some black men speak like white or latino men? How exactly is that "horrible"? I truly don't get what you are talking about unless you are just terribly terribly sensitive to this topic. I apologize if it offended you. I apologize if you are black. I still don't get it but I apologize.

If you are not a black though I find your post to be infinitely more distasteful that anything I could have written in this entire thread. Because *if* you aren't you are essentially being a white (or hispanic or whatever) apologist for black people when there is absolutely nothing that you need to be defensive about "for them" with regard to my arguments. I didn't say anything disrespectful. I didn't say anything about whose voice I like. What is acceptable. What is not. None of that. I just said that if you were so and so person (such as Barack Obama) you would never know from just speaking to him on the phone. Just like Michelle Obama. You would have absolutely never know, if you knew no better already. That's racist to say that??? But if it was Nicki Minaj you would. And conversely if some Australian girl, whiter than fucking cocaine, Iggy Azalea, got on the phone and spoke with her rap voice you might even mistake her for Nicki Minaj and think she were black. I mean come on I don't get it. I don't get what I said so terribly wrong.

I mean shit. By this logic we can't even have ANY of this conversation b/c if anyone utters the objective fact that some people are white as fuck, others are brown, others are black, etc.... then we have all of the sudden done a "horrible" thing and shown a terrible bias or racism. Because we acknowledge that people have different colored skin? Jesus Christ. I acknowledged that people have different voices. How is that any different? Oh and the color thing can be all over the place too. I'm fairly light as a "white" person, typical/average I guess you'd say. Probably from my moms side. My dad is dark AF like an american indian, particularly if he goes out in the sun (much darker then - nearly black). He isn't, nor does have any ancestry like that, he just has a very heavy melanin gene that runs in a particular group of the Germanic tribes that were extremely dark skinned (the dark skinned Germanic tribes). It runs in his family. Extremely dark. Some Hispanic people are super light, much lighter than many dark "white" people, and there are all kinds of "black" too. Most Hispanic men, even the darkest ones I've seen with their best tan are nowhere close to the skin tone of my father. I mean. Sigh. I don't get it. I don't give one fuck about peoples skin color or race. All I said is that sometimes you can't tell on the phone b/c of the differences in tones, accents, etc... That's crossing the line?? How?? I'm serious. How?

And this was why I promoted the idea that none of the girls put these things in their ads. I was trying to promote an idea that would help the community and the girls b/c the racist talk is a fucking stupid ass topic. It's NOT racism. I simply cannot understand that I have offended you by describing the tone of voices. I'm baffled. And if you are *not* black..... you should be ashamed. I still don't get it even if you are a black man but if you are not that is the epitome of white apologism.

Look, I apologize if you are truly offended. But I'm also pretty upset and dumbfounded at this response. If you disagree with me that's fine. Totally fine. Think what you want. I know you agree with many things I say. I do you as well. But this? This response? This is what was too far my friend. I mean thanks for saying no disrespect but basically you shit on me before you said it. What really gets me is that you are saying I'm biased and racist (more or less).... right out in the open. Considering the fact that I'm the furthest fucking thing from that it really pisses me off. Sorry, but it does. Nothing I said was hurtful to anyone. But you did try to attack me. I have refrained from doing the same other than uttering some minor curse words which just so my emphatic disbelief. I never would have expected this in a million years from you. Never. I'm in disbelief and I'm ashamed that you would sink to this level when I did nothing wrong at all. I haven't really thrown so much as one insult at you even after you essentially throw me under the bus in public for no reason at all. Trust me, I can throw some words. I'm not going to do that though. I'm sincerely hoping that you somehow read something into this which is simply not true, read it wrong, were drinking on 4th of July night and you disagree with my arguments (which is fine) but ended up making a mistake by posting this garbage..... I dunno. Wow. Wow. Can't believe it. Disbelief. Total disbelief. SMH.

-mg

[gfejunkie]

This ship is venturing into choppy waters. Time to shut it down before it gets completely off course. A subject that is as old as the hobby itself and doubtful it will ever be resolved. We can only strive to be a better person today than we were yesterday.

Everyone please have a happy holiday.