A Catch-22

[metal_head]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (pornstaro @ Feb 23 2009, 10:07 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>

All I know is Ellie is a fucking skank*********fuckbitchslutass of a bitch. :D[/b]

Pornstaro, I could not have said it better myself. It seems the most that makes me happy in life, well except music, is under the scope of the **** ***** bitch Ellie. She is the BIGGEST gang in America...and she gets away with it. The worst part is she does it just for merit points half the time, whether hypocritical, illegal in their actions, etc. It does not matter. Sorry, but I&#39;m a little bitter.

Just know (hopefully a lawyer like CB will agree with me) that the system is for sale. I am intrigued that in Texas a judge is still ELECTED to his position. Yes, bribes are illegal, but what about campaign contributions? That actaully can be both good and bad.

[Guest 122309-1]

Yes, a public forum such as ASPD can tip off LE to the presence of "illegal" activities in Houston, it still takes old fashioned police work to bust spas, salons, or indies.

In the case of the spas, I would be willing to bet that it took months of police work to gather information on the Escape and Wildflower spas. Getting informants, surveillance, presenting testimony to a grand jury to obtain indictments, informing the local TV stations, and then actually conducting the raids known as Black Tuesday. Reviews, sponsored forums, etc can definitely point LE in the right direction, but that is about all.

[Guest 122309-1]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (WTF @ Feb 23 2009, 10:09 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>

Well in Houston they (LE) are looking for it! lol[/b]

LE internet everywhere in the USA, not just in Houston.

[WTF]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BuckeyeFarmer @ Feb 23 2009, 12:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>

LE internet everywhere in the USA, not just in Houston.[/b]

Yea well in houston they are making arrest out the gazoo for it....enforcement for different laws are different in each city. For instance in Portland you would be hard pressed to get arrested for smoking even if a officer saw you doing so. Would you recommend a person from Portland to try that very same thing in some redneck southern city?

What is your point?

[blowpop]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (DEAR _JOHN @ Feb 22 2009, 09:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>

What BP and I were discussing is how sad it was that people who were friends and attended socials together now a days hate each other with a passion. We discussed more than that, but it may have been a &#39;between you and I&#39; type of discussion. If BP wishes to add more to this post, it is fine by me. One thing we did not discuss is LE and the hobby.[/b]

DJ and I were discussing the social aspects of the hobby. Back in 2000 or so the board regulars were pretty much one big happy family. Then the squabbling started. At first it was low key, but then people started taking things way too seriously, feelings got hurt, and all the sudden the happy family was a bunch of cliques that didn&#39;t get along. So much for the lunches and evening parties (and after parties.)

I agree that it was inevitable a ASPD grew and the group of regulars got bigger. I lost interest in going to ASPD functions entirely, and only started going again recently, thanks to CB and CK&#39;s great events that leave drama at the door.

As DJ said, we didn&#39;t discuss the LE issue. It&#39;s always been out there, and that&#39;s not changed. Black Tuesday was a reminder about not getting sloppy or overconfident, though... but that&#39;s always been how the smart players play.

[blowpop]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (WTF @ Feb 23 2009, 10:06 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>

In Houston???? Are you serious? I will not attempt to inform you on a public board of just how wrong you are in this regard. The rest of your post is also chalked full of hole&#39;s. For instance if a cop has the "ability to get naked and do the deed if needed to make the case" as you describe what can one do in screening to prevent that?[/b]

It&#39;s pretty simple: Don&#39;t have sex in exchange for money.

If she&#39;s suspicious of the guy, or he&#39;s unknown, she should have a procedure that requires him to put an unsealed envelope in the bathroom upon his arrival. She checks the bathroom - no envelope, politely end the session without any discussion of money. Envelope as expected, secure it and go on with the session. If the client discusses money at any point, ask him to leave. And if she&#39;s truly careful, an audio recording of the session would be very handy if LE tried to fabricate evidence.

I don&#39;t think that boards like ASPD are a huge factor in LE&#39;s investigations. LE isn&#39;t stupid - any woman who advertises as an escort is a target; it&#39;s not as if LE cares who gives a great BBBJ when they&#39;re deciding who to arrest.

[metal_head]

I could debate this topic all day. Actually, yes, in Portland, somebody may not get arrested for smoking, but it does not get overlooked. I travel across the country and I don&#39;t care where I am. I always drink my green tea, and always have it with me when I travel. TSA is fun, they don&#39;t like carry-on liquids over 3oz and the Arizona Green Tea is 20oz, lol.

Even though, no arrest may be made, a citation could be given or, at minimum, the item may be confiscated. I would not walk down the streets of Portland, or any city and drink my tea openly. It&#39;s kind of like ANYTHING on the "other side of the law." Don&#39;t advertise it in public and you should be fine. Do what you want, but be smart about it and everything should be ok. I say "should" because you can never under-estimate the biggest gang in America.

But as far as this board goes, everything is for entertainment. Nobody does anything on the "otherside of the law" here.

[Guest 121818-1]

Yep, I am just a hobbyist that likes to make up fantasy shit too and dont really know very much about the business of running a ***** house. I dont know much about LE either other than they do what they can get away with when ever they can and they usually have each others backs.

I dont kid myself whne it comes to this hobby. I know that it will continue to exist with or without this or any other review board and that jack shacks and ***** houses will more than likely come under the scrutiny of LE with or without this or any other board.

I dont know what the break even is on a daily weekly, or monthly basis is fora store-front ***** house or what kind of volume needs to be achieved to turn a profit. I could probably sit down and figure it out but I really dont need to know. If I did then i would have to weigh the risks of advertising in some other fashion than word of mouth or repeat business and would also have to determine what kind of money I wanted to put in my pocket.

the fact of the matter is that ***** houses were being busted before the internet and bulletin boards ever existed and all of them only advertised by word of mouth (chicken ranch, sealy etc.. these are just the famous ones).

Screening is just a tool and carries no real guarantees but can reduce the risk somewhat but is by no means the one and only way to play safe. If they want you they will get you one way or another.

Now the point of does this draw attention that would not be drawn; I say unless you have no visible advertising, no unusual traffic, no blacked out windows, none of the obvious indicators that something nefaious is occuring behind the doors then if the revies stated an address or specific information on the location that you could say the review was responsible but I think that the knowledge is there and the intrest stirred long before the reviews indicate differently.
The ssumption that any "mdeling studio" or "spa" is nothing more than a front for prostutution is and has been a reality to LE long before the internet was ever invented.

The really sad part is that we live in an area where this is a crime rather than something that should be left to consenting adults. After all we are all selling our bodies and our minds in one way or another its just that the government wants to control a womans vagina and what she can do with it. This is the real problem in our society.
The offense is to women and the violation of their freedom to decide what they can do. Can women sell their eggs as long as they are not fertilized in the process. You can be paid to provide sperm as long as it is in a cup and not a vagina.

I will stop my rambling now. Yes there is a catch-22 and as long as this hobby of ours is illegal it will always be that way.

[WTF]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (blowpop @ Feb 23 2009, 01:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>

It&#39;s pretty simple: Don&#39;t have sex in exchange for money.[/b]

Damn now that&#39;s what I&#39;m talking about! You think we can find some providers that are down with that?


<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (blowpop @ Feb 23 2009, 01:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>

If she&#39;s suspicious of the guy, or he&#39;s unknown, she should have a procedure that requires him to put an unsealed envelope in the bathroom upon his arrival. She checks the bathroom - no envelope, politely end the session without any discussion of money. Envelope as expected, secure it and go on with the session. If the client discusses money at any point, ask him to leave. And if she&#39;s truly careful, an audio recording of the session would be very handy if LE tried to fabricate evidence.[/b]

Having them leaving money before the session is tricky (pardon the pun) you may beat the rap but not the ride. On the other hand were you not to discuss money or services and start the fantasy there is not even a hint at illegality. Of course you would be relying on the honesty of the gent to pay off in the end.

My guess is that you would have to be pretty damn good for them not to find and destroy a recording of the event that they planned on distorting.

[WTF]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (2Dogs @ Feb 23 2009, 05:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>

I dont kid myself whne it comes to this hobby. I know that it will continue to exist with or without this or any other review board and that jack shacks and ***** houses will more than likely come under the scrutiny of LE with or without this or any other board.



I will stop my rambling now. Yes there is a catch-22 and as long as this hobby of ours is illegal it will always be that way.[/b]

Thats all I said a Catch-22, no finger pointing no blame just a statement of fact, I was having this conversation with a former mod just a couple of weeks ago, one who never did take this stuff personal......but all the spa and ***** house rambling, WTF?????

What I said was is that it seems to have come full circle. Yourself and ck 1942 seem to want to argue with me and at the same time reword exactly what I said in agreement with what I said......while trying not to agree with me. A very peculiar situation indeed.


Now what do you Mods thing about this? Would it bring to much heat on the board? It sure as hell would be effective. Whata ya think BlowPop?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (WTF @ Feb 23 2009, 10:06 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>

May I recommend a tool that may help.....a alert section where in fact posts are truly anonymous not alerts on the ladies but on vice and their descriptions, names and the like. It needs to be anonymous to prevent ...well it needs to be anonymous. A busted lady needs to be able to freely post without fear of retaliation from LE while she has a case pending.[/b]

[metal_head]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (WTF @ Feb 24 2009, 09:28 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>

Yourself and ck 1942 seem to want to argue with me and at the same time reword exactly what I said in agreement with what I said.[/b]

Is that not a result of a "catch 22"?

[WTF]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (metal_head @ Feb 24 2009, 09:35 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>

Is that not a result of a "catch 22"?[/b]

In a word, No.

[blowpop]

LE likes big, showy, easy targets for open and shut cases.

Don&#39;t give them an easy link between money and sex, and they&#39;ll go after someone who&#39;s more lax in their security.

[Guest 121818-1]

You are correct WTF it is a catch-22; in fact this thread is a catch-22
It is a picture of aman painting a pciture of a man painting a picture of a man painting a picture....
There are no correct answres.
There are no truly secret societies unless it consist of only one because if there are two then the other one knows.

[Alpha_Male]

I think the Nov 2004 busts occurred not because of the boards, but the very blatent nature of the non-Asian spas. I mean there were Escapes all over the place with prominent signs, same with Billy and Beth locations. For the life of me, I don&#39;t know how the Asian spas avoid getting busted -- maybe there is an exception for old skanky looking girls that keeps them running?