OF MICE AND MONKEYS?

[Anonone]

Well,

This sucks. If ASPD were up and running I know the HDH group would have a lively discussion going on this horrible cartoon. Hopefully a few folks will find their way here soon. I will get us started with my two cents and fire the first volley about the Delona cartoon:




Not only is it incredibly offensive and racist, it is a poor on
several journalistic levels--it isn't even well-drawn. It is as if
the fact that it would be so "controversial" caused the editorial
staff forgot to check it for artistic and journalistic quality. This
cartoon is dreadful at so many levels. I hope they won't actually
attempt to hide behind the sacred "freedom of press" clause, because
this isn't even that. I have seen junior high graffiti that was
better than this crud.

What do you think?

[Don T. Lukbak]

You're right about the graphic quality; it's nowhere near as poorly drawn as a Ted Rall cartoon but that's a heck of a low bar to crawl under....

But how is it racist? We've all seen GW compared to a chimp. Was that racist? So now this deceased chimp, Travis, is compared with another wild-eyed nitwit....Madame Pelosi.

She, after all, was the one who "wrote" the bill, or at least the lobbyists friendly to her did.

You weren't thinking the chimp has anything to do with Barky, do you. Gosh, would that erroneous assumption make you a racist?

Minor point: I believe the New York Post, not The New Yorker, ran the cartoon.

don t

[Gnadfly]

Right again Don T

Pelosi would be the person to characterize as writing the bill although BHO had input.
GW was often pictured as or with a chimp
It was the Post who ran it

But you forgot...

Screaming racism fraudulently is still effective.
Having a 100 monkeys at 100 typewriters typing for 100 seconds would have come up with a better stimulus package.

[WTF]

I thought it was a shitty cartoon....but not racist. So I am agreeing with the two prior posters with whom I rarely agree.....so I could be wrong! lol

I do see how people that had not heard of the chimp that was shot the prior day could conclude it was racist but after explaining it to them they still think it racist. WTF?

[SeaDog]

It was disrespectful and demeaning to the monkey.

A Chimpanze is clearly several rungs above a politician on the evolutionary ladder.

[WTF]

They correctly apologized and rightfully so told Sharpton to fuc off.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29290684/?gt1=43001

[Don T. Lukbak]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (WTF @ Feb 20 2009, 08:37 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>

They correctly apologized and rightfully so told Sharpton to fuc off.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29290684/?gt1=43001[/b]

That&#39;s craven, and reminiscent of having to apologize to some clown with a 50-word vocabulary for offending him by using the word niggardly.

That "horrible" cartoon appears to be highly successful in helping draw the attention of the nation to the silliness and irresponsibility of the so-called stimulus bill. More accurately, swindle-us bill. Continuing to punish effort and achievement while rewarding parasites will result in socialists&#39; Heaven on Earth; we&#39;ll all be equally impoverished. Except, of course, for the political class.

don t

[WTF]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Don T. Lukbak @ Feb 20 2009, 09:04 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>

That "horrible" cartoon appears to be highly successful in helping draw the attention of the nation to the silliness and irresponsibility of the so-called stimulus bill. More accurately, swindle-us bill. Continuing to punish effort and achievement while rewarding parasites will result in socialists&#39; Heaven on Earth; we&#39;ll all be equally impoverished. Except, of course, for the political class.

don t[/b]

Well in that case the cartoonist should have been drawing attention for the last eight years of the slide into a Banana Republic&#39;ville you seem to be so blissfully unaware of, yet march in lock step with that philosophy.

Where was you outrage on the first stimulus bill....the one with hardly any strings attached.

You do realize that starting with Reagans change in tax poliecy (notice I said change, it is a myth that he actually cut overall taxes) that the gap between the rich and middle class is putting us on par with Mexico. Maybe the cartoonist could have started with Reagan in his adaptly named classic &#39;&#39;Bedtime For Bonzo&#39;&#39; a prelude to what we were in store for some thirty years later when we elected him president.

Also..You obviously did not read the link or did not understand what you read...they did not apologize to Sharpton.

http://turnerclassic.moviesunlimited.com/P....asp?sku=D73754
Bedtime For Bonzo (1951)
Future historians will wonder about this one: the 40th President of the United States playing father to a chimpanzee. College professor Ronald Reagan needs to domesticate the title ape for an experiment, but first he must find a suitable "mother."

[Sysiphus]

I didn&#39;t find the cartoon funny... or particularly well drawn... but as near as I can tell, about the only way the cartoonist f-ed up is that objects in political cartoons are usually "labelled" with the entity or ideal the object is intended to represent.

If the artist or the publication wants to "apologize" for that, be my guest. I find an apology for anything other than that to be more "chilling" than any idea the cartoon attempted to convey.

In an, allegedly, free society A has the right to "express" an idea. B has the right to express to A how utterly ridiculous an idea that is. The rest of us follow the argument & make up our own minds. If they have to start apologizing to each other for that, what&#39;s the point?

[WTF]

Read the apology.....my take is that they did not mean to offend but given the history of &#39;ape&#39; that they could see where it might and for that they were sorry. And to their long time critics that do not believe in context they say fuc off. I actually think they struck the exact right cord.

[Sysiphus]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (WTF @ Feb 20 2009, 10:16 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>

Read the apology.....my take is that they did not mean to offend but given the history of &#39;ape&#39; that they could see where it might and for that they were sorry. And to their long time critics that do not believe in context they say fuc off. I actually think they struck the exact right cord.[/b]

I did read it - the NYP website release, that is, not the MSNBC story about it. Interestingly, the NYP page was updated after it was initially posted. Not sure what that means, if anything. I just find it interesting.

The clarification was helpful (assuming it wasn&#39;t disingenuous) but the only difference I see between what the Post did and a standard watered-down, ass-covering "...if you were offended, we&#39;re sorry..." apology was the qualifier, "...if you&#39;re an unoffended opportunist, bite me."*

Provocative & funny. If the entire NYP - on some level - is satire (which is always how I&#39;ve viewed it) on the nature & tone of the big city daily newspaper, the apology was certainly w/in the persona of the paper.

I agree this was an improvement over what typically happens but I&#39;m still a little chilled (probably a little irritated, as well) that we - as a society - seem to expect it now whenever something like this come up...



* For those who didn&#39;t read it, they didn&#39;t REALLY say "bite me" - I&#39;m paraphrasing for comedic effect.

[Anonone]

See. . .I knew we could get the juices flowing. . .

Where is the Resident Smart Ass????

[pjorourke]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Anonone @ Feb 20 2009, 12:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>

Where is the Resident Smart Ass????[/b]

Off enjoying himself and glad he missed this food fight. :D

[Sysiphus]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (pjorourke @ Feb 24 2009, 10:08 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>

Off enjoying himself and glad he missed this food fight. :D[/b]

OMG... a PJO&#39;R sighting!... the man, the myth, the legend!!!

Damn, now I KNOW the P has been down for too long....

[WTF]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Sisyphus @ Feb 20 2009, 11:32 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>

if you&#39;re an unoffended opportunist, bite me."*[/b]

Thats the part I loved....Sharpton has had his moments but his problem is he will not admit when he is wrong. Tawana Brawley, the Duke case even Imus.

Damn I wish that is how Imus would have handled sharpton and Jackson.