Backing Out of a Bad Appointment

Need some advice...On more then one occasion now I have been placed in a position where an appointment went bad. Usually, the gal is not as advertised or simply does not (or refuses) to provide the services advertised. Case in point a few years back, one provider was about 40lbs larger than advertised ..I decided to run with it anyway (my first mistake). Well at the "physical" beginning of the session decided that she would "fake" intercourse by using her hand while I was behind her. At that point I politely said "this isn't working for me" and requested most of my money returned. After persisting she return my money, she began screaming at the top of her lungs (in a hotel room mind you) and physically swinging at me when I grabbed it from her. Well I got most of the money back but with far more drama then I prefer. More recently, I saw a agency provider who I immediately knew was not as advertised, but cute all the same, and was clearly advertised as a "GFE" provider. During introductions, she wiped her hand, appearing disgusted at the very thought of being touched. This immediately put me on guard. Well sure enough, during the session she refused to kiss LFK or DFK, no DATY, no BBBJ, hardly any touching and was rushing me along like an assembly line. 30 minutes in to our hour long appointment, I made myself finish and get the hell out of there, $300 poorer. Now, I consider myself a decent looking fellow for being late 30's with barely 20 extra pounds and always show up clean and fresh for an appointment. I have had very good appointments with other well reviewed providers in the past so I am confident it's not me.

Now, most providers require payment up front and I am wondering if there is a nice way to to politely bow-out of a session when you feel things are going terribly wrong. I feel terrible (and usually at that point, angry) having to ask for a partial refund as the few times this has happened, it's been 15-20 minutes in to the session. Obviously the "screaming and swinging" provider was clearly off her rocker but the agency gal more recently was just not providing as advertised and I felt awkward at any attempt to explain. After the incident first mentioned, I prefer to just walk away. I did call the agency on my way home and explained I was not happy. A future session with additional free time was offered but I generally will not be fooled more then once and was not looking to "get anything" from them. Just wanted to make sure the agency knew how disspappointed I was in this particular gal.

Is there a right way to go about this? Perhaps a time limit as to how far in to a session you can want to make a run for it? How many others have gone through this?

not really to much to do to protect yourself against these sort of things, other than screen, screen, screen, dont believe everything you read in a review, ( one guys 10 is another guys 5)
try to find more than 3 or 4 reviews of the girl you are interested in seeing...

that should help weed out the ones that are bad...

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not really to much to do to protect yourself against these sort of things, other than screen, screen, screen, dont believe everything you read in a review, ( one guys 10 is another guys 5)
try to find more than 3 or 4 reviews of the girl you are interested in seeing...

that should help weed out the ones that are bad...[/b]

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That&#39;s good advice. I&#39;d only add try a little independent networking directed to ladies who interest you (sometimes they&#39;ll be buds with others w/ whom you&#39;ve had good sessions) or, if your time/schedule allows, get on CK&#39;s social list and meet some new ladies that way.

oh honey--im sorry you ran across that level of service---but unfortunatly just like there are hobbyists that are not as they say or are rude, etc... there are providers out there who dont provide or advertise as they should. But rest assured there are ladies out here like myself who are as we say and provide an unbelievable experience!

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I politely said "this isn&#39;t working for me" and requested most of my money returned. After persisting she return my money, ...when I grabbed it from her. Well I got most of the money back but with far more drama then I prefer.
... I made myself finish and get the hell out of there, $300 poorer. I feel terrible (and usually at that point, angry) having to ask for a partial refund ...
Is there a right way to go about this? Perhaps a time limit as to how far in to a session you can want to make a run for it? How many others have gone through this?[/b]

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well, your post set some red flags for me. you start a session, realize its not what you want, then want some of your money back.
i think the previous gents had some good advice for you.
from a provider or my pov, i think if when you get there she isnt quite what you wanted, its okay to bow out.
i think asking for some of the money back, after a session started, could cause &#39;drama&#39;. :huh:
just my opinion on this one.
hope you find the right gal that satisfies you!! enjoy your tuesday!

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At that point I politely said "this isn&#39;t working for me" and requested most of my money returned. After persisting she return my money, she began screaming at the top of her lungs (in a hotel room mind you) and physically swinging at me when I grabbed it from her. Well I got most of the money back but with far more drama then I prefer.[/b]

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First of all, no matter what amount of money involved is it worth getting her in a raging screaming fit, money is replaceable and you getting yourself in a predicament is not worth it. Especially for $$ to $$$$, plain and clear. Correct me please, this could have been something that could have gone wrong out side of the hotel room, what would have prevented her from hollering at you all the way out to your car, then you and her would have attracted attention to something that you probably wouldn&#39;t want to happen.


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More recently, I saw a agency provider who I immediately knew was not as advertised, but cute all the same, and was clearly advertised as a "GFE" provider. During introductions, she wiped her hand, appearing disgusted at the very thought of being touched. This immediately put me on guard.[/b]

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This is when you should have excused yourself, hand a hundred and say something of this sort "Hon, I believe this is not going to work out, here&#39;s a hundred to cover your expenses" turn around and leave.

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A future session with additional free time was offered but I generally will not be fooled more then once and was not looking to "get anything" from them. Just wanted to make sure the agency knew how disspappointed I was in this particular gal.[/b]

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Now this depends on if you use the agency before or on a continuing bases, if so you might have be willing to take the plunge, otherwise I agree you did the right thing.


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Is there a right way to go about this? Perhaps a time limit as to how far in to a session you can want to make a run for it? How many others have gone through this?[/b]

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Just a Mr. Raphey Boy suggested, screen, screen, screen, and go with your first instinct when you finally meet face to face. I have gracefully bow out of a session two times in that last years, one in Austin and one College Station, one time I left the full amount to the lady, why because she was sweet as good be, just I knew that I was not physically attracted to her and would not really enjoy myself, but knew that she was legit and probably a good visit for others that are attracted to her. Another was more or less the same but she was a good 30# over her advertised weight, I left her a 100.00 and left, nothing happen bad wise on either visit cancellation of short.

Getting your money back is not worth the hassle of embarrassment in a public or semi-public domain area, it will only attract attention that is not wanted. But afterwards share you information with other members here and your other buddies that might hobby, this will be your reward for the lost monies, the ladies and gentlemen here want to hear such, a bad apple in the basket only makes the rest of the basket acceptable to the same, I would be willing to think that the good providers do not want to see you or anyone else to have to go through the same as you just did, exposing that will only lessen it to happen again with someone else.

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First of all, no matter what amount of money involved is it worth getting her in a raging screaming fit, money is replaceable and you getting yourself in a predicament is not worth it. Especially for $$ to $$$$, plain and clear. Correct me please, this could have been something that could have gone wrong out side of the hotel room, what would have prevented her from hollering at you all the way out to your car, then you and her would have attracted attention to something that you probably wouldn&#39;t want to happen.




This is when you should have excused yourself, hand a hundred and say something of this sort "Hon, I believe this is not going to work out, here&#39;s a hundred to cover your expenses" turn around and leave.



Now this depends on if you use the agency before or on a continuing bases, if so you might have be willing to take the plunge, otherwise I agree you did the right thing.






Just a Mr. Raphey Boy suggested, screen, screen, screen, and go with your first instinct when you finally meet face to face. I have gracefully bow out of a session two times in that last years, one in Austin and one College Station, one time I left the full amount to the lady, why because she was sweet as good be, just I knew that I was not physically attracted to her and would not really enjoy myself, but knew that she was legit and probably a good visit for others that are attracted to her. Another was more or less the same but she was a good 30# over her advertised weight, I left her a 100.00 and left, nothing happen bad wise on either visit cancellation of short.

Getting your money bad is not worth the hassle of embarrassment in a public or semi-public domain area, it will only attract attention that is not wanted. But afterwards share you information with other members here and your other buddies that might hobby, this will be your reward for the lost monies, the ladies and gentlemen here want to hear such, a bad apple in the basket only makes the rest of the basket acceptable to the same, I would be willing to think that the good providers do not want to see you or anyone else to have to go through the same as you just did, exposing that will only lessen it to happen again with someone else.[/b]

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You should ONLY back out at the beginning if not as advertised.

I guess the best thing is first do your homework, then listen to your big head at the start of the session so you can back out. Of course there will still be circumstances when things go downhill after the session started. If it is due to a clear case of being lied to on service provided, I see nothing wrong with demanding a refund for service not provided, drama or not. If it is more of a chemistry thing, write it off.

In either case, did you write a review?

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You should ONLY back out at the beginning if not as advertised.[/b]

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Please explain........

from a provider or my pov, i think if when you get there she isnt quite what you wanted, its okay to bow out. I think this is good advise for all of us, she maybe disappointed and even a little angry, but she&#39;ll get over it and you&#39;ll avoid all the drama. As someone else said, I believe it was Ralphey Boy invest some time, do some homework, screen as much as you can, before you invest your $$$$$!





Quote is from PrittiKittis&#39; post.

I think that this problem exists because of the ladies from CL and other sites. I know from experience here that the ladies of ASPD are what they advertise and with a little recon you can get the info needed to make a wise choice. Of course we all are going to take the chance now and then from the other sites due to curiosity and a change of scenery. But your best bet is to work with the ladies we have here. ;)

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You&#39;ve got to be kidding. A different girl shows for the appointment and he should fork over a hundred. No fucking way. If she is not the girl in the picture and he does not want to proceed with the appointment he owes ZERO. If a provider falsely advertizes herself by posting fake pics or by description then she is taking the risk of a canceled appointment and IMO should pay the hobbyist for his time and gas.

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Woody,
You&#39;ve got to be kidding. A different girl shows for the appointment and he should fork over a hundred. No fucking way. If she is not the girl in the picture and he does not want to proceed with the appointment he owes ZERO. If a provider falsely advertizes herself by posting fake pics or by description then she is taking the risk of a canceled appointment and IMO should pay the hobbyist for his time and gas.[/b]

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You&#39;ve got to look at it from both points of view. If the provider has mis-represented or mis-advertised you rightfully should back out at the beginning. But if you decide to go ahead and "accept" the appointment by taking part you should carry through with it.

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Woody,
You&#39;ve got to be kidding. A different girl shows for the appointment and he should fork over a hundred. No fucking way. If she is not the girl in the picture and he does not want to proceed with the appointment he owes ZERO. If a provider falsely advertizes herself by posting fake pics or by description then she is taking the risk of a canceled appointment and IMO should pay the hobbyist for his time and gas.[/b]

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It&#39;s your call, but its sort of like driving down a highway and a guy pulls right in front of you, then you shoot the finger at him, get gets out and blows you head off with a gun, now was it worth it for you to shoot the finger? A hundred dollars is just not worth the hassle of someone going f..king postal...drawing attention in a public area or non-public area. But the amount is your choice, twenty, five, ten, but the hundred is what I would do. And if you think a hundred is going to kill you in the pocket, then you need to get a new hobby like checkers.

I agree that if you decide to proceed the deal is made but if you open the door and are met with by a different girl you now have the option to walk away without any payment to the provider.

T-Time

My comment above getting a new hobby like checkers was out of line......please accept my apologies.....

Woody, I just want to be sure I understand you. A girl claims to be 5&#39;2" and 110 lbs, blond hair blue eyes, 34-24-34. You show up and she&#39;s 175 lbs you&#39;re going to give her a hundred bucks. XXXXXXXXXXXXXX


disagree with any idea but calling others names is out of line .......... polite and cilvil, period ........... tcreative2

At the beginning of the appt....say the first 5 minutes, you should get a feel for things. If you are not happy with her appearance, bow out at the beginning. If you decide to go for it, that&#39;s YOUR choice. Make your choice immediately...go with your gut if you feel something is awry.

If you decide to bow out 20 minutes into the appt., that&#39; okay and once again, it&#39;s YOUR choice. Even if it&#39;s her fault and she doesn&#39;t provide what she states. That is a lesson learned for you. You should have researched better. If there wasn&#39;t a lot of info. on her and you were one of the first to TOFFT, then it&#39;s up to you to review for your fellow buds to learn from.

I don&#39;t think after a half hour, you should be requesting your money back. It was YOUR decision to stay. I feel bad that she lied or is not giving you what you wanted. But you scheduled her for her time. She spent a half hour with you (before you decided to leave)...whether it was a shi*tty date or not, is not the point.

Tia

btw, I feel bad you keep meeting up with those that aren&#39;t what you want.

REMOVED

Have to agree with ESCG. If the disappointment is that great, the sooner you cut it off the better. And there is always a review to alert the community that "X" isn&#39;t as she advertises herself. I really think it&#39;s asking for drama to quit in the middle of a session and ask for money back.

That said, one of my favorites (since departed) in SA turned out to be much heavier than her photos indicated. I remember being disappointed at the first sight of her, but we got to talking and . . . . . and she did become a favorite.

I guess the point is this. In the first case mentioned, being already well into things by the time the fake intercourse was attempted, she was obviously bat-shit nutty, but you&#39;re right...That amount of drama is not worth a few hundred dollars but dammit, I didn&#39;t feel right leaving her with a few hundred bucks and knowing she had gotten the better of me. In the second case, this is a very well known agency here in Austin with a good reputation which is why I gave her the benefit of the doubt in spite of the fact it was not the same gal in the photos. Mind you, she was cute it was only the service which was a huge dissapointment.

You have every right to bow out if it&#39;s not what was advertised. Giving a cancellation fee is up to you, do you want the potential drama in the parking lot or not? How much it that worth to you?

However once you pay your money, that&#39;s it, no refunds, you made the decision to stay and take your clothes off. Leave early if you want, that&#39;s why they call it TOFTT. Every new encounter has the potential to be a wonderful experience or a TOFTT experience. That&#39;s part of the excitement. Do you go to Vegas expecting to win everytime?

If you don&#39;t want to TOFTT then do more research up front and get to know a few other fellas that have similiar tastes and trade referrals.

my .02 happy hunting

You can&#39;t always belive what you read on this board or any
other board. You can research all you want and some times
it just doesnt work out. I have used a couple of known good
agencies and always had a great time, the next time I called
the lady that came over had no clue what to do, and was not
interested in being there.

First words out of her mouth were"where&#39;s my money"? I should
have asked her to leave right there, you know little head won out.
It was the biggest waste of money spent. No longer use that agency.

I think that escg said it best. Nothing wrong with backing out
if things are not right.

We all have learned some hard lessions in this hobby.

Rocker

I have to agree with those that say "screen, screen, screen." If there are no reviews, post an inquiry here...maybe someone has seen her and give you accurate feedback. But not all feedback is accurate. So, if you decide to see someone absent good research, you really are blowing your wad. You might get lucky w/ a good provider, but mostly, the good providers reps get ahead of them and we all know who they are. You might decide to TOFTT. If so, let us know so we can appreciate your research. But good consistent reviews on any of the boards is the only way to play the odds. In the end, everything we do in the hobby is a risk--from meeting providers to getting caught.

In answer to your quest, I don&#39;t think it is good form to back out except in the 1st 5 minutes or so. You make a date, agree to the cost of companionship. You should live up to the agreement.

Screen screen screen is a given...common sense so case closed there. Given the board&#39;s been down for such a long time I figured a well-known agency with a good reputation would be a fairly safe bet. Regardless, I take full responsibilty for that one and an appropriate review will be given when the site is completely back up. Let&#39;s go back to the original psycho who tried to substitute her hand for her vagina thinking I wouldn&#39;t notice...It&#39;s a given she&#39;s nuts but what do you consider to be appropriate action in this case? What would you do in that situation?

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...Let&#39;s go back to the original psycho who tried to substitute her hand for her vagina thinking I wouldn&#39;t notice...It&#39;s a given she&#39;s nuts but what do you consider to be appropriate action in this case? What would you do in that situation?[/b]

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If that&#39;s the only problem that came up, probably just "catch" her on it and question it. But if that&#39;s the only problem that came up, no need to do anything drastic. You just got shafted--that&#39;s all. Too bad SHE didn&#39;t get shafted. I&#39;m sure she would have enjoyed it.

If it&#39;s not the only trick she tried, perhaps milk your time for all it&#39;s worth. Work it Work it Work it. Maybe also say when she won&#39;t give you anything you ask for (which she supposedly advertises)..."hmmm, do you really want &#39;hand job&#39; &#39;no kissing, etc.&#39; in your review? Because if so, continue on....I&#39;m sure this will look really good for your business once the review is out." See if that changes her attitude. Or you could just come out point blank and ask her, "you advertise certain services, yet you&#39;re not providing any of them today--can I ask why that is?" (And see if she blames it on your hygiene or just because she isn&#39;t feeling well or whatever." Then maybe (depending on her answer), give the comment above in blue afterward if you&#39;re not satisfied with her answer. I suppose it doesn&#39;t hurt to put her on the spot. You do have the right to know if it&#39;s you or her.

But be prepared, for she might just end the visit herself....and then you don&#39;t get any kind of handjob. So it&#39;s all in the way you present the statements. Be super innocent, sound sincerely interested in the answer and sweet about it.

Actually, it wasn&#39;t a handjob, right? It was a hand ACTING job...pretending to be a Va-jay-jay, right?

BTW, I want to give props out to all those before my previous post who posted the same thing about OKAY TO BOW OUT but at the beginning who didn&#39;t get the comments on their posts like mine did. I didn&#39;t even see those posts when I posted my comments. I guess we were all just thinking the same thing.

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More recently, I saw a agency provider who I immediately knew was not as advertised, but cute all the same, and was clearly advertised as a "GFE" provider. During introductions, she wiped her hand, appearing disgusted at the very thought of being touched. This immediately put me on guard. Well sure enough, during the session she refused to kiss LFK or DFK, no DATY, no BBBJ, hardly any touching and was rushing me along like an assembly line. 30 minutes in to our hour long appointment, I made myself finish and get the hell out of there, $300 poorer. Now, I consider myself a decent looking fellow for being late 30&#39;s with barely 20 extra pounds and always show up clean and fresh for an appointment. I have had very good appointments with other well reviewed providers in the past so I am confident it&#39;s not me.[/b]

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I know this may sound simplistic but did you bring it up to the agency? I am assuming this wasn&#39;t with us as we simply don&#39;t have many reviews. That being said, I know that if a client is disappointed in any way, we would rather know about it and be in a position to correct it with the client than find out down the road - the road littered with many unhappy clients. I can&#39;t tell you if that is the correct answer or not, but it definitely seems like it would make sense to at least bring it up. If the agency isn&#39;t willing to handle the matter with you, you know to move on to a different company or any of the amazing independents.

Just my thoughts.

When I found myself in this situation a couple of time before deciding to go with ASPD providers exclusively, I basically just toughed it out to the end and got out, leaving my cash behind and taking it as an expensive lesson. I don&#39;t do drama, certainly not in an environment I am unsure of.

One case the provider indicated FS during initial discussions but wound up being just a rub and a tug. That was even bad because of bad lube basically e=wearing me out.

The other was similar setup that wound up being much larger and undesirable with a bad incall. I should have left immediately, but the littel head was being stupid, and as you know you can&#39;t fix stupid. Wound up as a rub and a tug as well, though more successful than the previous one. I slipped out the door as quickly as I could.

My next adventure was with a provider who introduced me to ASPD and I haven&#39;t had a bad experience since.

It is my recommendation that you not venture off the reservation unless you are willing to take the hit.

Rover14

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In answer to your quest, I don&#39;t think it is good form to back out except in the 1st 5 minutes or so. You make a date, agree to the cost of companionship. You should live up to the agreement.[/b]

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I agree with charles. I think it&#39;s acceptable to bow out within the first 5 min of walking thru the door.
It&#39;s also your choice to compensate or not if you do not stay for the session.
You&#39;ve gotten some great advice on here & I wish I could provide more, but it seems like everyone has beat me to it.
If the provider has a website look at ALL the information provides & pay attention to her reviews, etiquette & FAQs page.
If she doesn&#39;t have a website & you can&#39;t find any info on her, it might be wise to pass on her.
Good Luck sweetie & hope your next encounter is fabulous ^_^

No, it wasn&#39;t you folks. It&#39;s an agency that&#39;s been around for a few years now and is quite well known on this board. I previously explained how I handled it by calling the proprietor who offered me another session with another gal with some no charge extra time. Like I said previously, I won&#39;t be fooled twice and wasn&#39;t looking to get something out of them for my trouble so I passed. Just wanted to express my dissatisfaction and move on. Curious though, what would you do in an attempt to correct it? I imagine that as an agency, your gals are expected to perform at a certain level of service and this is all discussed well in advance of sending them out to meet your clients. It appears in this case no such expectation existed which is why I won&#39;t be using them again. Between the poor service and phony photos, I can&#39;t imagine anything they could do to bring me back as a client. Honestly, if it was just an isolated case of one gal performing badly I might reconsider, but false advertising, whether she was good looking or not is enough to keep me away for good.


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I know this may sound simplistic but did you bring it up to the agency? I am assuming this wasn&#39;t with us as we simply don&#39;t have many reviews. That being said, I know that if a client is disappointed in any way, we would rather know about it and be in a position to correct it with the client than find out down the road - the road littered with many unhappy clients. I can&#39;t tell you if that is the correct answer or not, but it definitely seems like it would make sense to at least bring it up. If the agency isn&#39;t willing to handle the matter with you, you know to move on to a different company or any of the amazing independents.

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No, it wasn&#39;t you folks. It&#39;s an agency that&#39;s been around for a few years now and is quite well known on this board. I previously explained how I handled it by calling the proprietor who offered me another session with another gal with some no charge extra time. Like I said previously, I won&#39;t be fooled twice and wasn&#39;t looking to get something out of them for my trouble so I passed. Just wanted to express my dissatisfaction and move on. Curious though, what would you do in an attempt to correct it? I imagine that as an agency, your gals are expected to perform at a certain level of service and this is all discussed well in advance of sending them out to meet your clients. It appears in this case no such expectation existed which is why I won&#39;t be using them again. Between the poor service and phony photos, I can&#39;t imagine anything they could do to bring me back as a client. Honestly, if it was just an isolated case of one gal performing badly I might reconsider, but false advertising, whether she was good looking or not is enough to keep me away for good.[/b]

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Let me start by saying that I agree with your last statement - a bad experience can be made up for, poor business practices (i.e. false advertising, etc) cannot. If it were just the bad experience to be made up for, it would be for you to get the appointment you had scheduled although with the girl of your choice. Whether it was with that same girl or another girl, that is for the company to handle internally and not something the client needs to know about. Simply put, customer satisfaction is the focus of this business and if a client was short changed in their experience in any way, it shouldn&#39;t cost them anything to have it made up. It is up to the company to make the experience right or it is up to you to move on to another company.

As for the offer of additional time at no cost - that has its place for relatively minor inconveniences. When there is a major issue however, why would you as the client want more time of a terrible experience?

I hope I&#39;m not throwing anyone under the bus, it just seems like some basic customer service and customer relations goes a long way.

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Actually, it wasn&#39;t a handjob, right? It was a hand ACTING job...pretending to be a Va-jay-jay, right?[/b]

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Exactly. Guess you could say "hand-gina" She wouldn&#39;t let me on top or in front of her. Then made me get behind her and was like palming my cock between her hand and clit. Took me about 10 seconds to figure out what she was doing and told it wasn&#39;t goig to work for me. So, this being twenty minutes or so in to the session, you think I had any right to ask for a full refund at that point? Seemed she was trying to pull "something" over on me, though I still don&#39;t get why she was doing was this...very strange practice if you ask me. Again, Looney-Tunes is the only rational explanation for this one.

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At that point I politely said "this isn&#39;t working for me" and requested most of my money returned. After persisting she return my money, she began screaming at the top of her lungs (in a hotel room mind you) and physically swinging at me when I grabbed it from her. Well I got most of the money back but with far more drama then I prefer.[/b]

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I guess the point is this. In the first case mentioned, being already well into things by the time the fake intercourse was attempted, she was obviously bat-shit nutty, but you&#39;re right...That amount of drama is not worth a few hundred dollars but dammit, I didn&#39;t feel right leaving her with a few hundred bucks and knowing she had gotten the better of me. [/b]

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Whoa. That last sentence is what&#39;s going to get you in a world of [bigger] trouble at some point down the road, I fear. Good golly, getting into a physical and/or verbal scuffle over $200, with a lady you don&#39;t know and have already determined is batshit crazy and with whom you&#39;ve already gotten nekkid and engaged in illegal acts with is so not a good plan. :blink: There is just too much potential danger and possible baaaad outcomes in that type of scenario. I&#39;d strongly advise to get past the concept of feeling "she got the better of me" and realize, OMG, $200 is a small price to pay to escape that bad situation and avoid a potentially life-altering drama!



You&#39;ve already been given excellent insight and advice by everyone here. It&#39;s common sense stuff, really, and forcing yourself to think and act logically with the big head in a situation. Letting emotions (and/or the little head) run the show is what gets you into trouble and ends in unhappy outcomes for you.

To recap:

1) Research, research, research.
"An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure." If keeping your risk level as low as possible and not feeling you&#39;ve wasted any of your money or been ripped off by a lady/agency is a primary concern, then exhaustive research before booking with any lady is mandatory. You will also need to limit yourself to only seeing ladies who have impeccable reputations and tons of glowing reviews or who are personally recommended by hobby buddies whose judgement and recommendations you trust implicitly.
~~If you are the type who can&#39;t always stick to the well-lit path and just has to have an adventure into the wild unknown AKA finding that mythical CL "diamond in the rough", then you HAVE to accept the risk involved in that. You must be able to live with the knowledge that your $$ is more times than not going to be misspent on a disappointing experience. There are no guarantees in this hobby, and especially when exploring the uncharted waters of CL.

2) Accept up front that after you give a lady your donation and begin any BCD activities, you are not going to see that $$ again. No matter if her attitude and/or skills are lame and not what you expected or desired, no matter if she doesn&#39;t look like what you envisioned and/or what she advertised, once the money has changed hands and you have engaged in BCD activities, there are no refunds. It might not be "fair" or "right" but that&#39;s the way it is in this business. There are ladies out there who will voluntarily refund you part of your donation in that type of situation, but don&#39;t count on it or expect it to happen. And most likely, if you&#39;re with a lady who&#39;s falsely advertised herself and/or her services, she&#39;s NOT going to be the type of lady who would be agreeable to any kind of refunds. Make sense?

3) If you meet the lady and she&#39;s absolutely not what you were expecting and you do not want to go through with the session, you need to cut your losses and end it immediately (within the first few minutes). Seriously, you know pretty quickly if you&#39;re attracted to someone and want to spend BCD time with them or not, right?
~~If the lady shows up and she has falsely advertised herself (she&#39;s not the lady in the photos, or the photos are very old/misleading, or her description of herself was nowhere near accurate), then IMO you don&#39;t owe her anything. She is at fault here for false advertising. Politely say, "I&#39;m sorry, but you are not the lady in the photos and I don&#39;t wish to do business with you." You can&#39;t wait until you&#39;ve gotten her nekkid and started fooling around, then decide to stop and demand a refund. You&#39;ve got to cut things off BEFORE you get to that point.
~~If the lady shows up and yes, she&#39;s the lady in the photos, but yikes, you just know you don&#39;t want to get BCD with her after all, then immediately call it off. You can either tell her outright you just can&#39;t go through with it, or use an excuse such as "I&#39;m very sorry, I&#39;ve been called back in to work and can&#39;t stay." In this case, since she didn&#39;t bait/switch or deceive you and it&#39;s just a matter of you knowing she&#39;s not your type, then I&#39;d say you should give her some type of compensation for her time and loss of appointment. She may have turned down other appointment requests to accept yours, or have expenses for traveling there or hiring a sitter for her kids, etc., so some type of appropriate gratuity is in order. You might ask her, "is $40 (or $100, or whatever number you think) a fair amount to cover your expenses getting here?"
*Again: the time for refunds is BEFORE nekkid BCD activities begin. After nekkid BCD activities begin, no refunds.

Absolutely agree with everything Quiet Smiles said. If you&#39;re not happy with what you&#39;re into, bow out of it as soon as possible. But do it tactfully and, more importantly, do it safely. Nobody wants any bat-shit crazy psycho drama.

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Nobody wants any bat-shit crazy psycho drama.[/b]

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Unless of course you are a batshit crazy psycho. :)